‘Xwr Axmu`ly hvw dy bu`ly’ - jy. AYs. idEl

hr mnu`K AwpxI izMdgI dw sPr qYA kridAW ikMny hI Xwdgwr plW nwl AwpxI JolI BrI jWdw hY qy sB qoN v`D hsIn pl skUl-kwlj iv`c pVHdy smyN vwly huMdy hn, jo XwdW bx swrI aumr tuMbdy rihMdy ny[ keI vwr mnu`K hor kMmW-kwjW ’c AYnW ru`J jWdw hY ik aus ƒ ieh Amu`lIAW XwdW ƒ qwzIAW krn dw vI smW nhIN imldw[ pr jdoN koeI Acwnk hvw dy bu`ly vWg aunHW su`qIAW XwdW ƒ ihlorw dy jWdw hY qW idl ’c ie`k AjIb ijhI tsl pYˆdI hY[ idl krdw hY, muV j`PI pw lvW aunHW lmihAW ƒ qy aunHW swQIAW ƒ ijnHW nwl Sugl myly rcwauNdy huMdy sI[ so r`b kry ieh b`ly sB leI in`q hI AwauNdy rihx....[ Aijhw hI ie`k hvw dw bu`lW quhwfI pyS-ey-i&dmq hY :-

? ‘SYnI mwn’ jI sB qoN pihlW swƒ AwpxI mu`FlI izMdgI qoN jwxU krvwau[

- bweI jI! jnm myrw ‘mohwlI’ dw hI hY Aqy mu`FlI pVHweI vI mYˆ ie`Qy hI kIqI[ vYsy myrw j`dI ipMf ‘G`l-Kurd’ ijlHw iProzpur iv`c pYˆdw hY[ pVHweI iv`c mYˆ TIk-Twk hI irhw qy SurU qoN hI myrw ruJwx gIq-sMgIq vwly pwsy hox krky mYˆ skUl iv`c v`D qoN v`D hor cIjW iv`c ih`sw ilAw krdw sI qW ik mYƒ koeI GMtI nW lgwauNxI pvy[ ies qrHW mYˆ Awpxy swry pIrIAf BMgVy, gwauNx-vjwauNx qy Sbd-kIrqn krn iv`c hI k`F idMdw[ mu`FlI pVHweI qoN bwAd jdoN mYˆ ‘rofy lMfy’ kwlj dwKlw ilAw qW au~Qy vI mYƒ vDIAw Xwr-dosq imly[ Asl ijhVy izMdgI dy cwr-pMj swl mYˆ au~Qy ibqwey, aunHW qoN mYˆ bhuq kuJ is`iKAw, jo myry A`j q`k kMm Aw irhw[

? quhwfw gIq-sMgIq v`l ikvyN ruJwn hoieAw ?

- sMgIq v`l myrw ruJwn bcpn qoN hI sI[ mYƒ ieh qW nhIN pqw ik myrw ruJwn kdoN qy ikvyN hoieAw jW auh ikhVw idn sI ijs idn mYˆ pihlw gIq gwieAw, pr ij`Qy q`k mYƒ Xwd hY swfy Gr ’c sMgIq nwl sMbMiDq koeI nhIN sI[ jdoN mYˆ Gry gwauNdw rihMdw qW myry ipqw jI skUl dIAW mYfmW ƒ kih Awey ik swfw muMfw gw vI lYdw[ iPr mYfmW myry qoN gwxy suxn l`g peIAW, pihlW-pihlW qW mYƒ bhuq Srm AwauNdI sI pr hOlI-hOlI ies pwsy mYˆ qurdw igAw[

? qusIN Awpxw gurU jW AwdrS iksƒ mMndy ho ?

- Asl ’c mYˆ iksy ivAkqI qoN pRPYSnl tRyinMg nhIN leI[ mYˆ skUlW, AkwdmIAW ’c bhuq smW ibqwieAw hY[ ikauNik mohwlI, cMfIgVH vrgy SihrW ’c ieh gurU-cyly vwlI pRMprw nhIN hY, ies krky AkwdmI jW klw kyNdr, ij`Qy sMgIq dIAW klwsW lgdIAW hn, mYˆ aunHW ’c zrUr Swiml huMdw hW qy ieh ipCly ds swlW qoN c`l irhw hY[ so mYˆ gurU qW nhIN khuMgw pr mYˆ Awpxw AwdrS ‘gurdws mwn swihb’ ƒ zrUr mMndw hW, ijnHW dI pihlI typ qoN lY ky hux q`k dIAW swrIAW typW mYˆ suxIAW hn Aqy sWB ky r`KIAW hn[ aunHW qoN hI mYƒ ilKx qy gwaux dI lgn l`gI[

? ‘Xwr Axmu`ly’ qoN pihlW quhwfy hor ikhVy-ikhVy gwxy Aw cu`ky sn ?

- sB qoN pihlW mYˆ 2002 iv`c ‘kuVIAW qy b`sW’ gwxw kwlj iv`c pVHdy smyN iliKAw qy gwieAw sI[ ieh gIq mYˆ Awpxy swQIAW ƒ syD dyx leI Aqy isrP kwlj dy smwroh ’qy gwauNx leI iliKAw sI[ ies gwxy dy ilKx ip`Cy ie`k hor vI kwrx sI ik swfy kwlj kuVIAW dI qwdwd bhuq G`t sI qy Aksr aunHW ip`Cy muMifAW iv`c lVweIAW huMdIAW rihMdIAW sn[ ijnHW iv`c myry ie`k-do Xwr-bylIAW ƒ vI kwPI nukswn hoieAw[ so ies gwxy duAwrw mYˆ aUhnW XwrW ƒ mYisz dyx dI koiSS kIqI ik kuVIAW ip`Cy lVweIAW nw krdy rho[
pihlI vwr mYˆ ieh gwxw, ijvyN AwpW bYTy hW, ievyN XwrW-dosqW ’c bYT gwieAw sI qy aus ƒ mobwiel iv`c irkwrf kIqw igAw sI[ iPr auh gwxw mobwiel dy zrIey swry kwlj ’c Gu`mdw-Gu`mdw horW q`k pu`jw[ jdoN mYˆ ieh gwxw kwlj smwroh iv`c gwieAw qW swhmxy bYTy j`jW ny myry qoN ieh pMj-Cy vwr suixAw[
ies qoN bwAd myrw dUsrw gwxw ‘Awielts’ (ILETS) vwlw sI ‘nIN qUM bwhr jwx dI mwrI krdI Awielts dI hux iqAwrI’[ auh vI kudrqI mYˆ iksy Xwr-dosq dy jnmidn ’qy gwieAw sI qy iksy bylI ny myrI gwauNdy dI vIfIE bxw ky ieMtrnYt ’qy pw id`qI[ aus gwxy bwry qW mYƒ keI mhIny bwAd pqw l`gw ik myrw gwxw AYnW psMd kIqw jw irhw hY[

? ‘Xwr Axmu`ly’ gwxy sMbMDI sroiqAW v`loN quhwƒ ikho ijhw irspWs imilAw ?

- ies gwxy leI swƒ bhuq hI vDIAw irspWs imilAw hY, mYˆ swry sroiqAW dw bhuq DMnvwdI hW AYnw mwx b&Sx leI[ bVI KuSI huMdI hY jdoN iksy sroqy dw irspWs AwauNdw hY[ kuJ idn pihlW hI mYƒ fw. iF`lo dw AmrIkw qoN /On AwieAw sI, aunHW ny d`isAw ik myry aumr 50 swl dI ho cu`kI hY qy ipCly keI swlW qoN mYˆ pMjwbI gwxy suxny bMd kr id`qy sn pr ipCly idnIN myry lVky ny mYƒ ‘Xwr Axmu`ly’ gwxw suxwieAw qW myrIAw keI XwdW qwzIAW ho geIAW ijvyN cMfIgVH rihxw qy GuMmx-iPrn leI bult r`Kxw qy ieho jhIAW hor keI[ aus qoN bwAd mYˆ dubwrw pMjwbI gwxy suxn l`g ipAw[ mYˆ jdoN vI Bwrq AwieAw qW quhwƒ zrUr imlxw cwhuMgw[
ies qoN ibnHW mYisz, eI-myl Aqy Pys-bu`k rwhIN imly sunyihAW dw qW koeI AMq hI nhIN[ ies qoN swƒ pqw lgdw hY ik ieh gIq ikMinAW dIAW BwvnwvW nwl juiVAw hoieAw hY[

? ies gwxy iv`c hor ikhVyy-ikhVy swQIAw dw Xogdwn irhw ?

- ‘Xwr Axmu`ly’ dw gIqkwr swfw vIr ‘AwkwS dIp b`bU’ hY qy sMgIq iesƒ ‘in`k’ ny id`qw hY, jo kYnyfw qoN hY[ bwkI ijhVy kmry ’c ieh gwxw iliKAw igAw qy iesdI buxqI krky iesdw AiBAws kIqw igAw, auh iehI ‘mnpRIq isMG ig`l’ dw kmrw hY, ij`Qy AwpW bYTy hW[ iPr swfw vIr ‘ieMdr pMnU’ ijnHW ny swƒ smyN-smyN ’qy keI nyk slwhW id`qIAW[ ies qoN ibnHW gwxy dy swry pwqr ijvyN dIp lMfI jIp vwlw, swfw Xwr smrI, cImw, hYrI hn[ ienHW sB dy Xogdwn leI mYˆ qih idlooN DMnvwdI hW[

? SYrI, b`bU Aqy in`k dI iq`kVI ikvyN bxI ?

- b`bU nwl myrw rwbqw ‘AOrkut’ rwhIN kwiem hoieAw[ jdoN AsIN pihlI vwr imly qW pqw l`gw ik b`bU vI kwPI smyN qoN gwxy ilK irhw hY qy myry vWg strgl kr irhw hY[ hOlI-hOlI AsIN cMgy im`qr vI bx gey, kuJ b`bU vI myry vWg gurdws mwn jI ƒ AwdrS mMndw sI, ies leI swfI soc vI kuJ imldI-juldI sI[ aus smyN myrw ‘kuVIAW qy b`sW’ Aqy ‘Awielts’ gwxw Aw cu`kw sI[
‘in`k bweI’ nwl myrI mulwkwq dw islislw ‘ieMfo-globl kwlj’ ABIpur qoN SurU hoieAw[ au~Qy mYƒ in`k dw ie`k dosq imilAw sI ijs ny mYƒ ‘kuVIAW qy b`sW’ gwxw imaUizk nwl suxwieAw, ijs ƒ in`k ny imks kIqw sI[ ijs ƒ sux ky mYƒ bVw cMgw l`igAw ikauNik pihlW ieh gwxw ibnHW imaUizk qoN sI[ iPr kwPI smW swfI /On ’qy g`l-bwq huMdI rhI qy sMprk juiVAw irhw[ hux lgBg pMj swl bwAd AsIN ‘Xwr Axmu`ly’ gwxy iv`c iek`Ty kMm kIqw[

? ies gwxy dI vIfIE leI swry sroqy bhuq auqsuk hn, ies leI hor ikMnHw ku smW hor l`gygw ?

- ieh gwxw AsIN Awpxy purwxy dosqW ƒ smripq kIqw sI, ijnHW nwl AsIN kdy rihMdy huMdy sI[ pr ieh gwxw hux isrP swfy dosqW q`k hI sIimq nw rih ky swry pMjwbIAW dy idlW dI sWJ bx igAw[ ijs krky gwxw ieMnW ku psMd kIqw igAw ik swƒ keI kMpnIAW qoN ies dI vIfIE leI pRsqwv Aw rhy hn[ myrw iKAwl hY ik ie`k-do mhIinAW ’c ies dI vIfIE sroqy dyK skxgy[

? huxy qusIN purwxy dosqW dw izkr kIqw, skUl-kwlj dy Awpxy kuJ dosqW bwry d`so[

- myry iKAwl ’c ‘rofy lMfy’ kwlj pVHidAW myry bhuq swry dosq sn, ijnHW ’coN myrw sB qoN ipAwrw dosq ‘mnpRIq isMG ig`l’ hY, ausdy kmry iv`c AwpW bYTy g`lW-bwqW kr rhy hW, auh kwlj qoN bwAd cMfIgVH Aw ky nOkrI l`g igAw sI[ bwkI, kwlj dy p`ky AwVIAW ’coN ie`k AmrIk hY, auh vI ie`Qy nyVy hI rihMdw hY[ ies qoN ibnHW bhuqy myry dosq bwhr ivdySW iv`c jw cu`ky hn qy swry hI myry idl dy krIb hn[

? Awpxy dosqW-im`qrW nwl ibqwey plW ’coN koeI ABu`l GtnW jW Xwd swfy nwl sWJI kro[

- GtnwvW bhuq ny, qy hr Gtnw dw Awpxw drjw huMdw hY[ keI vwr koeI Gtnw sB qoN au~pr huMdI hY qy keI vwr huxy-huxy GtI Gtnw aus qoN vI au~pr drjy dI Gt jWdI hY[ AijhI hI ie`k Xwdgwr mYˆ quhwƒ d`sdw[ ie`k swfw im`qr hY ‘hirMdr’, ausƒ PotoAW iK`cx dw bVw SOk hY qy ie`k idn AsIN iesy ig`l dy kmry ’c PotoAW iK`cx l`g pey qy hOlI-hOlI cOV krn l`g pey[ cOV-cOV ’c AsIN ‘cImy’ dy gl p`ly dI jgHW qOlIAw pw id`qw qy isr rumwl nwl Fk ky ausƒ kursI ’qy ibTw ilAw[ mYˆ ip`Cy KVw ho ky ausdw isr plosx l`gw qy bwkI kWgV qy hor cwr-pMj bylI vI nwl hI KVy ho gey ijvyN cImy ƒ Sgn pwauNdy hoeIey[ aus smyN qW cImy ny vI bVI KuSI-KuSI poz dy ky Poto iKcvweI[ pr jdoN ieh Poto Pys-bu`k ’qy pweI geI Aqy Q`ly ilK id`qw igAw ‘ON ENGAGEMENT OF CHEEMA’ qW iesdw nqIjw kwPI hYrwnI jnk sI[ keI dosqW ny KuSI dw iezhwr kIqw, keIAW ny nwrwzgI jqweI ik swƒ nhIN bulwieAw qy cImW ivcwrw aunHW swirAW ƒ sPweIAW idMdw iPry[ aus qoN bwAd cImy ƒ kwPI smW l`igAw Awpxy styts isMgl krn leI[

? quhwfI AglI klYkSn kdoN q`k mwrikt iv`c Aw rhI hY ?

- AglI klYkSn lgBg 80% iqAwr ho cu`kI hY, jo bwkI rihMdI hY auh ie`k mhIny iv`c muk`ml ho jwvygI[ ies iv`c AsIN hr qrHW dy gIqW ƒ Swiml kIqw hY Aqy pRmu`Kqw nOjvwnW ƒ id`qI hY[

? gwaux qoN ielwvw qusIN ikhVy-ikhVy SOk r`Kdy hoo[

- bweI jI SOk qW bhuq hn ijvyN XwrW-bylIAW nwl Sugl mylw krnw, ilKxw qy hor bhuq kuJ[ pr Swm ƒ sUrj fu`bx qoN pihlW mYˆ Aksr bwlknI ’c kursI-myj fwh ky ikqwb pVHn bYT jWdw hW[ jdoN q`k sUrj fu`b nhIN jWdw mYˆ Awpxy mnpsMd ilKwrI dI ikqwb pVHdw rihMdw hW[ ies qoN bwAd hI mYˆ Awpxw Aglw kMm krn bwry socdW[

? ikhVy-ikhVy ilKwrI ƒ pVHnW quhwƒ cMgw lgdw hY ?

- mYˆ hr rMg dy ilKwrI ƒ pVHdw hW ijvyN ‘bwbU rzb AlI swihb’, jo swfy mwlvy ielwky dI Swn hn, surjIq pwqr swihb, iSv kumwr qy aurdU dy SwierW ’coN Aihmd Prwz, rwhq ieMdorI Awid hn[ ie`k eyQy mYˆ ‘gurdyv mwn’ hurW dw nW zrUr d`sxw cwhuMdw hW, ijnHW ƒ AxgOilAw igAw hY, auh bhuq vDIAW ilKwrI sn, mYˆ auhnW ƒ bhuq pVHdw hW[

? Awpxy sroiqAW ƒ kI kihxw cwhogy[

- b`s mYˆ ie`k g`l hI sWJI krnw cwhuMdw hW ik ijs pMjwbI zubwn dy zrIey AsIN au~Qy pihcwxy jWdy hW ij`Qy AsIN &ud nhIN phuMc skdy, aus zubwn ’qy swƒ mwx hoxw cwhIdw hY qy swƒ aus zubwn ƒ pRPu`ilq krn leI hor vI Xqn krny cwhIdy hn[ pr keI lok, jo pMjwbI dI durvrqoN kr rhy hn qy keI qW pMjwbI ho ky vI dUsrIAW BwSwvW ƒ qrzIh idMdy hn ijvyN A`j-k`lH ihMdI, AMgryjI qy PrYˆc dw trYf c`l ipAw hY, aunHW lokW ƒ AwpxI mwq BwSw qoN dUr nhIN hoxw cwhIdw[